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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 12:33 PM)
Hm... OK, lots to take in there.
The drink, the drugs, all that - it's terrible. I'm certainly not going to defend any of those decisions, being teetotal and drug-free myself. Andrew - if you're reading this, fuck Dry Heaves, get yourself off the drink, off the drugs, and clean yourself up. Right now. That's got to take priority. Sorry to all the artists who might not agree with that statement, but if its a choice between releasing a record and coming out of a drink and drug habit, I think it's obvious which should come first. This isn't me taking pity on you Andrew, or even sympathising, rather it's a simple fact that if you don't, you'll probably die of it eventually. I do not say things like that lightly, but you've made it quite clear that you're in a very bad place right now. To me, it seems obvious.
So, Dry Heaves. With the proviso that Andrew is cleaned up - that is off the drugs and off the drink - I will take these records from him and distribute them myself. If he is willing to post ALL COPIES OF THE RECORD to me (excluding his own, obviously) using the money he has collected so far for postage, with the CHANGE ENCLOSED AS A CHEQUE IN POUND STERLING, plus just 1 COPY FOR ME, then I will take delivery of them, and send them out to people as and when I am able to afford it. Yes, it will be expensive. Yes, I am likely to lose a lot of money. But this record MUST be released. If anyone wants to help out with shipping costs, you know where to send me money, but this certainly is NOT obligitary. And I will NOT be covering the $800 excess Andrew has amounted in getting the thing pressed. If someone wants to help spread the cost, maybe Andrew can send half to me and half to someone else in another country. OK, maybe not half and half, but split depending on location, and what will be cheapest to send. For instance, if I took all the records for the UK and Europe and Thailand (that last one's you, Datarapist!), Solypsis could take the US and Australia ones. That's just a for instance - I'm not lumping you with anything James. Given Andrew's above email (TBH, I'm not sure I fully agree with you posting it publically James, given some of its highly personal content, but let's please not have that discussion), he appears to be in no state to take on the responsibility of sending out different packages to various countries. If he can manage 1 or 2 though, then I'll help him out.
If he doesn't come off the drugs, or he doesn't wish to take me up on this offer, for whatever reason, then I'm out. This release has nothing to do with me, and I won't go chasing after him for information. It would seem those efforts would be futile at the moment anyway. I'm offering him this opportunity because I love this label. Not to please anyone, not to get Andrew out of the shit, but because I love this poxy excuse of a record label, the music it contains, and what it can achieve. Trust me James, this is NOT the end. No way. It's worth bearing in mind that this release only covers a relatively small area of the "label", despite the huge importance that's been placed on it, being the first vinyl release and all.
Andrew - if you come off the drink and drugs, or you can at least prove to me you're making the effort, that is going to the proper clinics and receiving the correct treatment, then please feel free to get in touch about sending me the records and spare cash. boiledhead at hotmail dot com. If you don't come off them, you can forget it. I'm not going to email you directly about this; as I said, this release has nothing to do with me. Your actions will 100% define the course of this release, as they have since its inception last February/March.
NB. I reserve the right to withdraw this offer at any time. This next few months is going to be tough enough financially for me, what with CBML4, Very Unprofessional, 2 live shows and the Chicago trip, and I could probably do without this. You know why I'm offering this to you.
Later today I will edit the .com DVR006 page to contain very general information about the release's delay. Also, perhaps you might be interested to know that the "Lovers Society" release, should it happen later this year, will almost certainly be a 12" vinyl record. Luckily for the participants of that release, I don't go near booze. J20 all the way.
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Mixomatosis
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Registered:11/22/2004
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 12:40 PM)
Oh, and regarding CBML4, whilst I really don't think you're going to take part this time Andrew, nor do I think you should spend your money on a slot, I'm not going to remove your name from the confirmed list. If come 3/3 you've not submitted, your name will be removed along with all other unused slots, as is the standard policy.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 12:51 PM)
James, Thanks for sharing that with us. I personally respect your decision to sit on this for a few weeks to see what happens.
Before I share my thoughts with you all, I must admit to not being angry, but frustrated.
"I don't know what I can possibly add to this. I'm afraid this could be the end of Digital Vomit --- who will trust us with their money now?"
I can understand your worry, but I don't think this will kill the collective. You faced the problem that people had no reason to trust you when you started Digi Vom, and we have a proven track record thanks to your self and Mixo's hard work. That Max still has the money is a relief, and now it is out Max needs to resolve the situation.
"but even still it will take five weeks from when ever it gets sent off. my dillemma now, is i don;t know what people want... this is why im emailing you, maybe some advice or what you think before i take this to the forums. "
OK. my thoughts on it are confused but I think I know what I would prefer. but if I ramble .....
Argument for refunds:
* We've paid out and nothings happened. No one like missing out.
* Max's lack of communications leaves us worried it won't be completed
Argument for pressing on:
* We've already paid and Max is taking up the slack - so it's not going to cost any more.
* The refunded money isn't going to make a big difference to my life (even being on dole and having no current income as is my current
position)
* I put (as I expect did most people) a lot of effort into my 30 Seconds - more than I usually do. I even enlisted the help of 6 other musicians to be able to achieve my idea. I owe something to them as well.
* It would be good for Digi Vom (and max) to have this completed and any worries resolved.
* It would be cool to have Digi Vom vinyl
* The sleeves are done and everything's ready to go.
I think that means I would like to see it still go ahead and get them pressed, but I'd suggest that max should provide every one with some level of reassurance in the way of a photo of the sleeves, masters, etc. And enlist the help of your friends to get the stuff sent off.
I don't think (hope) that this is yet the disaster you envision. That max is unresponsive to your emails / uncommunicative is my only worry.
so come on out and let us know.....
Regards,
Keith
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 12:57 PM)
In responce to Mixo's posts. (and due to the fact the i don't think i was clear enough on the point). I agree with Lee.
Max, you need to get your self some help and deal with the drink/drugs and depression. I'm sure we would all prefer to see you well and recovered.
best wishes Keith.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 1:38 PM)
http://hallo-excentrico.com/digivom/dvr006.html
Please note: This release has been withheld indefinetely. It is pressed and ready to be sent out, but there are currently issues with Max in Canada, preventing its immediate release. All news will be posted here as soon as it becomes known.
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ROBO_stud
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:00 PM)
wow. ok.
well if you do read this andrew, i am pissed off. not because of your personal problems (which i feel you should have told us about MONTHS ago)
but because you lied to all of us!
if you had just told us the truth, alot of this could have been avoided.
but all that aside, i think the best course of action is to send it to Lee....and to send it SOON!
if andrew is unable to send them for whatever reason, i urge someone who knows him to get the money off him
and send them to Lee yourself.
im not angry at you andrew....and i think you and i both know that you need you Need to end this project yourself,
the way you promised you would.
i took a fairly big risk trusting someone i didn't know, had never talked or even know what they look like
who also lived on the other side of the world. i have never done that before.......if this project isn't finished i will never trust anyone enough to do it again.
hope you get yourself together andrew,
i mean that.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:01 PM)
i'm sure this thing will see light of day sometime, i can wait.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:02 PM)
mixo --
i struggled with the decision as to whether i should post his personal e-mail here or not for quite a while (having actually gotten in an argument against doing so with my wife), but a few things factored into my decision:
when max originally e-mailed me i responded with a LONG e-mail asking him to please take care of himself and telling him NOT to divulge these details on the forum. i suggested that he merely send off the masters and i in turn would do my best to keep the heat off of him for a while. i said there was no need for him to get everyone upset just yet. he responded with a thank you.
a week later i wrote again asking him what the status was and received no response.
another week later i wrote again telling him that he needed to either come clean at this time on the forum or i would be forced to do it for him. again, he did not respond after 3 or 4 days.
although it does seem distasteful for me to post his private message here i saw no other way to accurately explain the situation --- better that it were in his own words than mine, and since he has become incommunicado i felt that something had to be done.
if there was a better way to handle this i surely would have pursued it. you guys know me well enough to know that i worry a lot, and this issue has been absolutely devestating to me. i take responsibility for what happens here, right or wrong.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:08 PM)
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iivix
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:27 PM)
Reply to : Mixomatosis
If he is willing to post ALL COPIES OF THE RECORD to me
Dude, unless I'm reading this wrong - there are no records.
so i just said fuck it, lets get this mofo out. and i said i'd sent it [the master] out, I LIED. [...] yeah, i know, there's no excuse for that. i said the pressings came back bad to buy me time. that was a lie, and i thought to myself "i'll send it off tomorrow" no big deal. [...] still it will take five weeks from when ever it gets sent off. [...]
Yeah, it's a fuck up. I don't think it's the end of Digital Vomit by any means - Solypsis and Mixo have proved themselves more than trustworthy. Hence when Mixo says he's doing a live event, I give him some cash, no questions asked. There'll always be bad eggs, and sadly we've encountered one here. But second to physically going to Max/Andrew and getting the cash and master off him and making the thing yourself, I don't think there are any options remaining.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:30 PM)
Robostud, I hope that the actions taken by Andrew in this project don't affect your standing with contributing further to this label, particularly with CBML4. It's worth saying again that this release only represents a small segment of what the label is responsible for. Sure, you've no reason to trust me, but hopefully you can see from what I achieved with CBML3 that I can at least produce the physical products and get them in your hands, with a good turnaround.
A further point about why this isn't "the end" of the label - look at V/Vm's Relax. All copies of that had to be destroyed. 3 years later, VVMT365 emerges. Setbacks such as this do not equal the end of a label. And given the way this particular one works, I'd say its even less likely than it was with V/Vm. All labels have problems. I mean, look at CBML2! That wasn't a walk in the park either! But look what we've done since then.
THIS IS NOT THE END. NOT BY A LONG SHOT.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:36 PM)
Reply to : iivix
^^^ stuff up there about the "master"
Yes, you're correct, I read that wrong, I was under the impression that the discs were pressed, and just needed to be sent out. In that case, there really is very little I can do or offer, except perhaps to produce a limited CD-R run of the release, which will be distributed with the same ratios at the 7"s, but even that depends on me getting copies of the tracks from everyone involved. Alternatively I might see if I can split the pressing of Very Unprofessional (hah!) with a few copies of Dry Heaves too, (maybe 400 VUs, 100 DHs - I don't really want 500 copies to be honest, so I'd be happy to sacrafice 100) but I'd say this is very unlikely. And even then, it hardly solves the problem of all that money.
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iivix
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Registered:05/16/2005
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:38 PM)
Reply to : Mixomatosis
I love this label. Not to please anyone, not to get Andrew out of the shit, but because I love this poxy excuse of a record label, the music it contains, and what it can achieve.
I'll raise my glass (of J20) to that!
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iivix
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:43 PM)
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Alternatively I might see if I can split the pressing of Very Unprofessional (hah!) with a few copies of Dry Heaves too
My feeling on this is that none of us should put the effort in or money to make this work, because all that says is that it's OK for someone to take responsibility for something, take the money and LIE about it all, because a better person will take up the slack in the end. That's not the sort of message we should give. If there's any action left, it's got to be damage recovery and limitation. In my opinion.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 5:00 PM)
I totally agree iivix, but I suppose my main issue is with all the people who've put money into this release and now look unlikely to get their money back from it - they should get something for their troubles, even if its well beneath what they deserve. I suspect refunds may be the way to go though anyway. It's some small comfort to know that Andrew hasn't (apparently) spent the cash on his exploits.
I'm far too soft, that's my problem! I don't even have anything to do with this release! I just don't want to see people's time, effort and money go to pot. (no pun intended)
Hm... would it be insensitive to put on White Lines by Grandmaster Flash now? Fuck it, I'm putting it on just for the bassline.
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ROBO_stud
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 5:14 PM)
while i do feel very betrayed by all of this and andrew's lying most of all.
im not going to let it sour me against the idea of digivom.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 5:44 PM)
Reply to : ROBO_stud
while i do feel very betrayed by all of this and andrew's lying most of all.im not going to let it sour me against the idea of digivom.
That's all I ask. Thank you.
Regarding this issue, I don't really think there's much we can do until Mr Machismo pops his head in and explains what's going on. If he's still got the money, then at the least I will have a look around to find a vinyl pressing plant that falls within his budget, whatever that is. GZ Vinyl are amongst the cheapest I believe, but they're based in the Czech Republic. What he wants to do with any of the information I come up with is up to him.
Oh, and iivix, I am both flattered and slightly nervous at the trust you've put in me! :P FYI, I've been phoning the Buffalo Bar today, but no-one's been answering the phone. They have my number on their answering machine though, so let's see what happens...
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 5:45 PM)
heh heh, perhaps its my black sense of humour, but i am finding this thread very funny
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 10:42 PM)
i've been pissed off pretty much all day from this news.
now that i've had time to walk it off, i have something to say.
if this incident has taught us anything, its that we can't just let any person who shows interest in
a project be the organiser. trust is earned not given away.
i trusted andrew(max) because he answered me whenever i e-mailed him with a question. it seemed ridiculous to me at the time
that someone would keep reassuring me that things were moving slowly (but still moving), just to keep what little money i had
sent him. it appears now that this is exactly what he has done.
the money is not the most important issue for me. if this kind of thing continues to happen here then this will be a joke of
an independent label. word of mouth will spread and no-one will join.
from now on i will have nothing to do with any project unless i know for certain that 1) the person isn't just going to run off with
my money, and 2) that the project will actually get done on schedule and if anything goes wrong they let everyone involved know.
im trusting you Lee because you seem dedicated to this whole idea and because i have seen for myself that you can get things done.
if you stop running these projects like you said you would then i will have dificulty trusting someone else.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 11:15 PM)
That is totally fair enough Robostud, but it's worth pointing out that back in 2005, when Solypsis conceived the idea, he basically had no reason for people to trust him either. When I took over, the same can be said. In fact, with me there must have been even less faith, as I had never released anything before - at least James did The Ottoman Empire previously. The problem is that someone can have the best intentions, as I'm sure Andrew did, but outside circumstances can change the course of events drastically, as we've seen here. Unfortunately, the only way these projects can only work through having faith in the organisers. It is with regret to see that this trust has been broken in this case, but that's not to say it will happen again. I think it goes without saying Andrew won't be organising any more releases for us - I certainly don't want him to, and I doubt he does either. You have raised a valid point that perhaps the people in charge of these projects should be vetted. You could say that you can only do something for us if you have released a product before. But if you then did that, there's the point of there being a double standard, as I didn't release anything beforehand. It's a very difficult balance that needs to be made.
I'm glad to be taking a back seat come June! Oh, by the way Mr Stud, have you send the CD and money yet? I've not received it yet, thought I'd just check while you're here.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 11:22 PM)
I trust Lee, he is a charming fellow and he knows his stuff.
I can see how this would sour the concept of Digital Vomit, but we're in good hands.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 11:23 PM)
no i haven't sent the money or the cd yet Lee.
i will either send it tomorrow or the beginning of next week. im just making sure that everything is ok with the tracks first.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 11:26 PM)
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 1:17 AM)
Reply to : Hooray
heh heh, perhaps its my black sense of humour, but i am finding this thread very funny
Gah... go and watch jam (or jaaaaam if you're feeling really naughty) or The League Of Gentlemen or something.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 3:29 AM)
Jesus H., I turn in early one night without looking in on things, and... damn.
I gave up booze and drugs in 1994 because I couldn't use them without it running away with me. I might have done it sooner, but some people were helping me stay sick by bailing me out and stuff. So no, that's not the way to go, and getting well must needs be Max' top priority, but still, I would like for this record to see the light of day somehow, and I don't care all that much how long it takes. I've waited 40 years to be on a piece of plastic; another one won't kill me.
I looked into having my solo album pressed on vinyl at GZ, but as part of the ordering process, you have to declare membership in a copyright protection society (e.g. BMI, ASCAP, BIEM, etc.). That was part of what drove me back to my first instinct of the CD format. Maybe there's a way around it, like V/Vm found, but I decided to learn to crawl before I walk.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 12:40 PM)
bummer.
been there with the drugs and alchole so i can certainly sympathise,,,,but at the end of the day you have to take responsibility for your actions.
realistically the only choice we have is to leave it with max and hope it does happen at some point when he gets himself together.
i propose a new 7" project gets underway...i would hate to see this as the end of vinyl for digi vom.
either as a small run of vinyl or a peter king acetate.
i would be happy to co ordinate this.
ive not used peter king before but lots of folks i know have and vinyl pressing i get done at zenith.
see the rank sinatra bbb split 7"
http://www.zenithrecords.org/
arrr
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 1:25 PM)
I'd personally trust you with doing a vinyl release Guy, either as a Zenith run or with Peter King, although the latter discussion has been had before, and communication from their end has been exceptionally poor, nay non-existent. The Zenith thing sounds like a good deal though. Actually, I may contact you about doing The Lovers Society with them, they seem like a good company.
I think if another vinyl release were to be produced though, it couldn't happen under the name Dry Heaves. I believe there's just too much stigma attatched to the name now. But I think before we can really have that discussion, we should hear from Andrew.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 1:49 PM)
i think a good option for this Dry Heaves mess might be to get the master copy off andrew and just release it free to
download on digitalvomit.com
let people understand the situation and why it wasn't released and just let people have it.
this is if andrew doesn't do something first, which is unlikely.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 2:12 PM)
Reply to : ROBO_stud
i think a good option for this Dry Heaves mess might be to get the master copy off andrew and just release it free todownload on digitalvomit.comlet people understand the situation and why it wasn't released and just let people have it.this is if andrew doesn't do something first, which is unlikely.
I think the idea situation would be the master turning into an online release, Andrew refunding everyone's money (or at least passing it in one lot to someone more responsible), and a new vinyl project under a new name run by someone trustworthy.
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 2:27 PM)
Actually, I always intended to put this release online anyway, what with it being a vinyl release and much more difficult to create digital copies of. But I'm still going to wait for Andrew before I personally take any action. Oh, and as discussed earlier, I will be happy to take the money off Andrew's hands and send it back to individuals, if he can show me he's working to come off the drugs. Otherwise I won't bother.
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