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solypsis
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 6:39 AM)
a possible solution to the mail order issue could be that we set up a basic e-mail account for DV that one or two people check frequently and when an order is placed the CDs are shipped by whomever is nearest to the recipient. if a buyer is in the states then me or mitch or whoever could send a disc....that sorta situation. i imagine it wouldn't be too hard to work out the logistics.
also....again --- can we not post cbml3 for download now?
lastly -- anyone in UK/europe who can send discs to vvm? i would but overseas shipping is ridiculous.
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DATARAPIST
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 8:38 AM)
I have about 7 - 8 discs which I can ship in Asia and maybe Oz. If we all or some of us do likewise we could use the money to re-invest into a future project, the website or whatever, we just have to make sure the money doesn't end up in someone's 'party' fund or some shit like that. I guess the best thing to do would be to have a paypal (buy now) button linked to a paypal account next to the CD on the shop page so someone who wants to buy there and then, it's all done in one transaction, we then have the address, email the nearest vomitor with the shipping addy to get it in the post. People without a paypal account can also buy with their credit card. Its worth a shot.
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keithhic
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 10:16 AM)
I don't mind shipping some copies to vvm.
I'll email him this evening (Unless someone beats me to and sends me his phisical address).
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Scandinavian Noize Syndicate
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 11:28 AM)
it all sounds really good,let me know if i can help in any way possible
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Thee Crumb
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 12:50 PM)
A series of excellent ideas - most of which have been right under our noses the whole time  . Good job there's somebody out there who's been there before to point it out.
Setting up a Digivom email and Paypal account relating to it shouldn't be that difficult - it's the exact details of who posts what to where that might be tougher (but nothing impossible, unless one person wants to take on resposiblilty for posting everything?)
And while we're on the subject of upgrading the website, any chance of updating the links page? Some of them are a couple of years old now and point to sites that don't even exist any more.
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VVM
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(Date Posted:10/16/2007 4:07 PM)
The more info you can get on the site, the more chance of people randomly finding the label and releases. Content is king.
Make some nice zipped files of the out of print releases, also of the companion releases - all free to download.
Next design a page which outlines works in progress and how people can get involved.
Not everybody who visits the site wants to go to a forum to find out what is happening because also not everyone who visits will want to get involved. Videos should and could also be made for tracks and embedded into a page like i have done here >>>
sick-love videos
the you tube videos can be resized to fit in with a basic page design, it's not too difficult to do. CONTENT is KING these days and due to high speed services now we can all offer a lot more...
same with setting up the mailorder.
to me, as mentioned above, it makes sense to get US copies mailed out in the US and UK and Europe orders shipped from the UK and Europe, Guy in Australia.
People should cover the postage for one month when they post out and then scan receipts before taking the cash out so people know everything is above board. Prices on the mailorder should also include postage. The most successful sites include free shipping - this makes sense because you don't want to see that CD you want for ? do the order and then see the final price jump to ?0 with shipping and vat, there is nothing worse.
I mean you won't be selling a huge volume initially so it won't be too much work. The point is it's set up for future releases and will look more serious to people visiting.
Profits generated should go into new projects or in helping Mitch keep the site online or setting up nights etc.
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 5:30 AM)
i agree once again. we all know that if you go to a webpage for a label and it doesn't make it particularly easy for you to buy what they're selling, and also tells you little or nothing about the artists then your probably going to move on and forget about it.
i feel like im ordering someone to do this stuff because obviously it wont be me doing this....i know absolutely nothing about constructing or changing websites.
is it possible to get a few people to update the site and the myspace too? it wouldn't be fair or possible to dump all the work on one person.....i feel like im the person with the most time on their hands here, i wouldn't mind updating the myspace with whoever does it now (im assuming its lee) if this sounds ok to you, then im willing........i think the main thing we need to do on the myspace is change the songs which are on it perhaps every month or so, to show people the diversity of us all. also supplying some kind of blog on upcoming releases would be handy. and perhaps deleting old blogs too, i dont think theres any need to still have the 'can buy me love 3 now finished' blog up.
i could and would do all this and more if your willing to trust me with the password etc.
if you want to keep doing it yourself (lee?) then i dont mind.
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 11:32 AM)
Reply to : ROBO_stud
i know absolutely nothing about constructing or changing websites.
OK, so my day job is actually to do with building websites... That said, what I do is plan websites on paper before the designer designs them and the coder builds them. So I'm more than happy to create some plans for a redeveloped website (sitemaps, what should go where, what the page should look like etc), and I can also write copy for the site, but I'm not really a coder or designer, so we'd still need someone (or a couple of people) to do this. With the right plans, this doesn't have to be anyone who knows anything about DigiVom, because they'd just have to work to our brief and slip our content in.
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 11:40 AM)
In extension to my previous comment, I think we could and should divide website work between people - i.e. one architect/planner, a copywriter, an editor/manager (or three) who takes care of updating the site, a designer, and a coder... The point is, the editors shouldn't have to code the site, the coder shouldn't have to maintain the site etc...
Actually, thinking about it, what might be useful at this stage would be if we worked out across digivom as a whole what roles need to be fulfilled (ie. who answers the email, who coordinates mail order, who looks after the myspace), list them out, and then people can volunteer to do that role for as long as they want. As long as they told us if they stepped down, so we knew someone else had to think about doing that job, then it would work well...
So, what things do we need doing?
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solypsis
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 4:12 PM)
we need a list of urgent/necessary web-updates and a list of people who can perform these duties.
1) update links (couch fort is dead)
2)updat e-mail contact
3)update t-shirt and cd purchase info
4)artist bios?
who can do this stuff? and how can i help?
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 4:26 PM)
OK, so I'll have a go at mapping the site tonight, and then we can work out what we need, and from whom, and which new processes should be in place and who should look after them.
We can create structure without hierarchy or sacrificing agility I reckon.
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DATARAPIST
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 4:40 PM)
I would like to help out where possible with the website. Like iivix, I too work in the web industry, and may be able to help updating the site, help set up the shop page etc. I am not hot on writing content though, but I am sure there are enough of you guys willing to do that. If possible, could anyone email or PM me the ftp server details, just to take a look?
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 6:09 PM)
i've made a few changes to the digivom myspace.....if someone wants to take a look and see if i've done something that they dont like, then i'll fix it......all the changes are fairly minor and more cleaning up the place then anything else (ie: deleting old blogs, putting up 1 new blog, extending the list of artists on digivom).........i changed the colour of the site also, if anyone has a problem with the colour i made it then please tell me.
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Mixomatosis
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Registered:11/22/2004
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 9:36 PM)
If someone wants to take over the .com, they're welcome to it. I can't be arsed with it anymore. To whoever does it though, a note of warning - it's an utterly thankless task.
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/17/2007 10:18 PM)
Reply to : Mixomatosis
it's an utterly thankless task.
Sorry Mixo - thank you for your work with the website, it's definitely appreciated (:
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 12:58 AM)
OK, that sounded arsey. It's not been a good few days for me. Time to address this one bit at a time. In chronological order... (and with very little in the way of paragraphing or referencing)
iivix - I'm guessing the long-awaited London gig will act as a kind of main promotional tool for the CD/label. This is something I need to get sorted pronto, but right now I'm far too busy. I'm actually trying to get an interview with David Lynch for my dissertation right now, and that's just one of the many things I have on right now. As for RT... isn't CBML4 under the Warp/Rephlex/Skam divider? I can't remember right now. If there are only 4 or 5 copies left, those are all mine. CATB put some in before me. That caused some confusion for the RT staff.
V/Vm (this reply incorporates all your messages, hence it's a big mess) - Ironically I find the ads in The Wire often more useful than the actual content. I guess I'm in a vast minority here. It was the full-page Parl ad that made me first buy it, incidentally. RT are selling CBML4 for ? - the price was set by CATB. A bargain compared to the other 2-discers there. Hell, a bargain compared to most single-discers. I still need to send you your copy - please send me your Berlin address and I'll get your copy to you directly. Con who?  As for downloads, the only old stuff not online are the Solypsis DVDs and CBML3. Nonagenarian Nasties, CBML4 and Dry Heaves are new physical releases, hence I've not uploaded them. My solo one's not even released physically yet. Maybe preview tracks could be uploaded... Mail-order's always been a tricky issue, as the CDs are spread out worldwide, as is the very nature of the label. I've put info online on how to buy the stuff only available from one or two sources, but I've taken the links down to places like Rough Trade and that, because there are just too many to list, as I found out when updating it very recently. I've always encouraged people to buy direct from the artists, and the Links page provides contact details to these people. At least, they do for everything up to September 2006. I've not updated it for ages. I need to do that. Or whoever takes over the website. I've not been heavily promoting the new releases because I'm just simply too busy. Because the whole project was delayed by 4 months, I had no time between finishing the CD and going back to uni, therefore no time to promote it. The website is pushing my website design skills to the maximum (and even then, CATB did a lot of the ground work), hence it looks very budget. I've not done biogs, because there are just so many artists featured on the label that to do so would be utterly absurd. Maybe biogs of some of the more prolific members could be included, but then that just makes the label look less inclusive. Sure, I've organised two compilations, I'm releasing my solo album very soon and I've uploaded the website and lots of MP3s, but does that mean I'm more important than someone like... I dunno, The ABs, who only contributed a single track to one compilation? Of course not. Without everyone pulling their own weight, the label fails, conceptually if in no other way. With WIPs, I try to direct people to the forum, as its just easier than updating the website every time something changes. Laziness on my part? Yes. There are lots of videos from the Colchester gig online at the Other Media page. Far from comphrehensive, but it's a start. If people start making videos, I'll add them. Or whoever runs the site can... you get the idea.
Solypsis - 1) because I don't have this Berlin address, 2) see above, 3) on my to do list.
ROBOstud - that's a big if. I don't know if so many people would be up for writing their own biog. And if that leaves some people un/misrepresented, I'd rather go with no biogs at all. But that's just me.
Thee Crumb - precisely. If this was a conventional label, with everything being distributed from one or two places, there would be no problem. Because everything's spread out though, it's just been easier for me to direct people to ask the artists direct. And where there really are only one or two places of distribution (ie. Dry Heaves, Nonagenarian Nasties, ICDBTT) I've included instructions on how to get them.
iivix, Datarapist, etc. - please, take the website off my hands. What people are suggesting is far too much work for me alone. If you want the FTP info, ask Mitch. It's his server, and it's not my right to give out the server details. And despite the above post, I stand by what I said - updating and maintaining the website is truly thankless. At least in its current state. I wish whoever fixes it the best of luck. NB. maybe setting it up like a blog, as seen on Mu Bunny's website for example, would be the way forward. No HTML programming, just real text and automatic PHP updates, or something.
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Mixomatosis
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Registered:11/22/2004
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 1:09 AM)
Incidentally, I've got two albums by Ospa Sephaneu to upload as soon as I get my hands on a minidisc player. I think these are likely to be:
DVR021.1 - Ospa Sephaneu - Cuck My Sock
DVR021.2 - Ospa Sephaneu - Cuck My Sock (Come Again?)
...unless I've got my codes mixed up. Also, I think hardoff's Inter-vom thing needs a code. But that's for another thread...
EDIT: plus I want to try and convince local hippy transvestite Bernie Sizzey to produce some copies of his 19-disc box-set for the label. AFAIK there are only two copies in circulation currently, and I own one of them. There is audio here that needs to be heard.
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junkshop coyote
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 1:30 AM)
Sorry guys, I've been offline and busy for a couple of days. And I don't have much time right now.
I'm fine with posting CBML3 on HE! as long as everyone else is. I've got a couple of new releases in the pipe now, and I can just add another while I'm at it.
I do host digitalvomit.com, but I have historically had nothing to do with the site itself - I trust Mixo enough that I just gave him an FTP account and let him go to town. My own web skills are pretty shithouse, as you can see from HE! I can do that, and that's about it. Fortunately I have minimalist tastes anyway. But I digress.
If someone would like to take over for Mixo - who has indeed done a great job and deserves lots of thanks - just email me and we'll work something out. The address is mhilton at indy dot rr dot com.
I have some ideas about mail order, but I don't have time right now to work out the words.
How about an artist-of-the-month type deal for bio's? That ties back in to my old abandoned idea for an online zine (or book) documenting the story of CBML1. On top of that, it's something to keep people coming back regularly. Andy N does something like this on his site (he's interviewed me), and he might have some ideas in that direction.
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 1:48 AM)
Reply to : Mixomatosis
I've not done biogs, because there are just so many artists featured on the label that to do so would be utterly absurd. Maybe biogs of some of the more prolific members could be included, but then that just makes the label look less inclusive.
Everyone gets a page, they write their own biog, if they don't want to write one, then they miss out, simple as that.
That's the way forward for the website, that ideally one person only manages it (as in makes changes to the pages), but that one person shouldn't have to write all the stuff that goes on it - people should contribute their own biogs, photos, album descriptions, etc. Everyone is individually responsible for checking the site and making sure that any info concerning them is up to date.
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solypsis
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:06 AM)
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subsonika
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:13 AM)
cld we have a page that includes a few tracks or is that lots of work?
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 11:45 AM)
Reply to : subsonika
cld we have a page that includes a few tracks or is that lots of work?
As far as I know, it's easy enough to link to tracks to download, just like having any other kind of link... having them play through any sort of embedded streaming page widget thing is harder, but those widgety things seem to be around on other sites, so it wouldn't be impossible to find one and see how it works.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 11:53 AM)
One slightly more serious issue struck me last night though, which is about how the site is hosted... Right now we're sharing Mitch's H-E server space, which is awesome. But what that means is that there isn't really a Digital Vomit site as such. Basically there's the digitalvomit.com URL, and that houses a frame, and inside that frame are the sites pages. The outside of the frame is digitalvomit.com, but the actual pages are hallo-excentrico.com... So in other words, when you click on releases, the URL in the address bar doesn't update (because you're only changing the contents of a frame). And if you click to view that frame only, you get: http://hallo-excentrico.com/digivom/releases.html
In short, there's currently no way to create and manage URLs like digitalvomit.com/releases/cbml4 ... which means it's difficult if not impossible for people to deep link into the site (without using a hallo-excentrico URL)... Giving people out there on the web the ability to deep link to our content is essential for making the website work in my opinion.
Not sure the way forward on this issue, since my technical knowledge is somewhat lacking, but it might involve digitalvomit having to have it's own hosting package somewhere.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 1:31 PM)
I think the best idea is to set up a blog for the label, then everyone can update it without any big web skills.
Am sure between you all you can set up a nice looking blog which also will have artist and project information on there.
That makes more sense than a static website.
Mitch can then host any release files and media and the blog can be editied by multiple people, making the site more dynamic.
Of course you don't need to tell me about the thankless task of running labels mixo, i made the t-shirt for that one.
It's always a case of diminishing returns for the efforts put in. People appreciate it but always want more than you can give.
Take for example the v/vm site, i mean i have built that, rebuilt it, destroyed and built it again. Now it stands at 2000+ pages in total. All done by myself with no training at all. The whole thing winged from start to finish.
Sure it could be better, but to rebuild it all again at 2000+ pages isn't a normal job.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 1:48 PM)
Can someone techie tell me if there's a free or cheap CMS system that we could create some page templates for, that would then be easy for non-techies to update and manage? That produced pages that didn't look pants? Because that would be a good solution right now. If no one knows what I talking about, don't worry about it (:
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DATARAPIST
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:04 PM)
Yeah, there's mambo and joomla, they are free open source and pretty good too!
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iivix
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:05 PM)
OK, here's an idea...
Since DigiVom really is, and should be, decentralised, then VVM's blog idea (one label blog, everyone from DigiVom gets to be a member and post) is awesome.
But it's not perfect, because I feel like we do also need someone to house static, permanent content (like "about us", release info, biogs etc). But there is something that will allow us to house that info, and let everyone have access to it and manage it, which is if we set up our own wiki.
Now wikis look pants, because generally (as far as I know), skinning them really goes no further than adding a logo in the corner. But a wiki would suit our needs really well, since it delegates content creation (and management) to everyone here, with no need for one central administrator.
So I'm starting to see a picture of the Digital Vomit site that looks like this:
0. Homepage - brief intro to label (1x html page - I can make this) links to:
:: 1. Blog - recent activities, promotion, audio, gig info, reviews, etc.
:: 2. Wiki - release info, biogs, history of DigiVom and ideals,
:: 3. Forum - for people to get involved
:: 4. Shop - in the short term, this should be a link to mail order somehow... In the longer term, some kind of basic ecommerce site should be added
We can also link to the myspace page to cover the social networking aspects...
So essentially we cover all the content and functionality requirements of the site using entirely off-the-shelf web apps (no hardcore coding required). And there's no need for one single person to manage any of it, because the blog, the wiki, the forum (and hopefully the shop), all allow multiple editors and managers...
What do we think? No other label (or organisation for that matter) has set up a site like this, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it like this. How can we move on this?
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:06 PM)
Reply to : DATARAPIST
Yeah, there's mambo and joomla, they are free open source and pretty good too!
Hmmm, I have no idea how these things work, but if that's an option, it might be worth investigating...?
Having a quick look, they both look pretty slick...
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solypsis
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:10 PM)
therein lies the problem --- how do we get started? someone or some people with tech knowledge need to just run with it.
as far as non-techie content goes, i'd be happy to type up whatever is needed.
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(Date Posted:10/18/2007 2:13 PM)
I've been playing around with mambo cms a bit as one of my clients old website is built on one and i needed to get my head round it. But it seems quite straight forward as in placing content etc, and they have shit loads of add ons like forums, blogs and skins that you can add to the site. You need a host that supports PHP to run it though.
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