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ROBO_stud
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(Date Posted:09/23/2007 11:58 PM)
well i wont be attending this event unfortunately. but here's my opinion for what its worth.
shitmat getting paid and everyone else getting nothing is not only unfair, it would also make people resent shitmat (probably), which isn't fair to him either.
the idea of a nice relaxed affair sounds far better, it would also give a chance for those of us who dont know each other to socialize and talk. but thats just my opinion.
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iivix
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 1:11 AM)
Reply to : solypsis_noise
what robostud said.
OK, so it's easy for me to side with option 2, because A) I'm well into the idea of a more relaxed, more art orientated night, and would love the chance to get some performance art of my own in there, and B) I can't play live music for shit. That said, if I was a live music act, I'd definitely be tempted to go with option 3, to get the crowds in via Shitmat to see my shit.
Damn, I'm torn on this. Getting a live event with Shitmat headlining would be great for all the DigiVom live acts involved, and for the profile of the collective as a whole. It's fantastic PR and would be an excellent rave-up. But on the other hand, it's against the spirit of Digital Vomit, and, more importantly, Shitmat hasn't actually contributed to DigiVom before, so it isn't appropriate for him to represent us. If he'd been on CBML4, then? (He wasn't was he? Under some weird alias?).
Um. I withold my opinion. I'll go with the majority on this one.
BTW: AWESOME! Am totally psyched whatever, it's a great venue, I know the night will rock.
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junkshop coyote
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 5:01 AM)
I won't be there under any foreseeable circumstances, but my vote, if you want it, goes to #2. The idea of subsidizing high-profile artists to promote the collective has come up before and been decided against, so what's different now? I think sticking to our benign-anarchy guns will earn us more respect in the long run.
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keithhic
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 10:17 AM)
Not sure that i'll be able to make the trip this time.
2) does sound like an interesting idea. low risk and good opertunity to invite a few select press type people.
3) I don't have a problem with Shitmat playing a gig organised my DV. (more people is good), but i don't think you could really call it wholly a DV event, as it would fell more like a shitmat gig that dv were riding on..... would almost me more like a wrong gig (i know a fair amount of use frequent the wrong boards as well)
4) maybe there's an option of calling it a DV / Wrong gig to reduce his fees / enable payment of other artists? just an idea.
But 2 sounds like the obvious selection.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 12:30 PM)
Reply to : Mixomatosis
he is appearing on my upcoming DigiVom album (albeit as "Shizzermitenmat").
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 12:38 PM)
Also, I should note that the whole Shitmat thing is currently just speculation. It's not confirmed at all.
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hardoff
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 12:39 PM)
from what i just read:
in any scenario, no digi vom artists get paid.
with shitmat it's a 100-150 person rave mashup, but without shitmat it's a small gig and you guys play to each other.
wouldn't it be better to play to more people?
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Peter Z
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 2:02 PM)
Havent read the other replys but:
I think option 2 would be the best, cause then there will come more people who don't know anything about the DV artists and then maybe get an interest in them. So Shitmat is good promotion for DV. Fuck the money, use the night to get "famous" and make money at other gigs that you could play beacause of this gig.
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Peter Z
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 2:25 PM)
what ever this will end up with, I am able to come from Wed, 28 Nov 07 to Tue, 04 Dec 07, just need a place where I am able to crash. Is the gig near London? cause the airport I will arive at is Standsted airport.
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solypsis_noise
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 4:06 PM)
having considered this a bit more, i'm tempted to change my position...
digivom has always been about exploiting the existing avenues and forcing our way into the limelight (whether we deserve it or not)...we're the homeless man who sneaks into the academy awards and ends up on stage. we don't "belong", but that's what makes it fun.
so, fuck it. let shitmat play. book coldplay, for all i care. we'll spread the disease ever futher with this larger audience. more cds and shirts to distribute, etc.
the whole concept of "selling out" has become a big, ironic mess. as long as we remain conscious of what our intentions are, perhaps we can escape unscathed.
shit. i dunno. i just want us all to get heard, by any means necessary. and to still respect ourselves in the morning.
tough line to walk.
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ninjadick
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 5:07 PM)
aupa!
i agree with hardoff....
playing with shitmat is always cool, he s a good boy and could probably spend his money in paying beers to all of us!! the idea of putting a more "famous" artist than us is definitely a guarantee of having more people coming to the show hence more audience for us !! yeeepeeee
but i actually think digital vomit is famous ;-) (enough to make an "autonomous" party)
i could be in london at this time, so that that would be ace if i could play my shit!!
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 9:49 PM)
Right, well that hasn't helped at all. :P Incidentally, I should say that I have absolutely no problem with Shitmat at all. Henry's a top guy, and none of my views on getting him to play or not have anything to do with any negative opinions of his music. Because his music's great. I hope no-one's getting that idea from me. If he was to play for free, then problem solved as far as I'm concerned. But that's not going to happen.
ROBOstud - "shitmat getting paid and everyone else getting nothing is not only unfair, it would also make people resent shitmat (probably), which isn't fair to him either."
That's pretty much how I've been thinking. I certainly don't resent Shitmat getting paid to do a gig, particularly as that's how he earns a living, but for one person to get paid and no-one else getting a penny, myself included, doesn't seem at all right to me.
iivix - well you're no help, are you?  I assume you'll want to play at this, yeah? With Hooray? Who, incidentally, I want as compere for the evening.
JC - "The idea of subsidizing high-profile artists to promote the collective has come up before and been decided against, so what's different now?"
Precisely. I don't think anything's really changed at all. I suppose I'm something of a purist, with regard to equality within the community, and its goings-on. I've only ever subsidised artists when it's not been a loss-making venture. That is, giving the ABs a slightly longer slot, which didn't affect anyone else's tracks, and the Con Guage track, for which the man responsible will only be getting one copy, out of my pile of spare discs. I would never pay for someone's slot on a CBML though, and I wouldn't expect else to either. Same principle here.
hardoff - it won't just be us playing to each other, there will be other people there, whatever happens. It's just a choice between either 40-50 arty types who will likely be more interested in what DigiVom do, or 100-150 ravers who are out to get drunk and see Shitmat.
Peter Z - I assume you actually mean option 3 there. To me, that's the only saving grace of paying Shitmat to play - it WOULD be good exposure for the label, and the artists involved. (I know other people have said this, I'm just picking up on it here) That said, I personally couldn't give a shit if there weren't many people in attendance (how many people were at the Cambridge Arms? Ten?) and would be more interested in seeing some more experimental acts. Bear in mind, if we got Shitmat as a headliner, the whole night would have to follow the same theme.
Solypsis - "digivom has always been about exploiting the existing avenues and forcing our way into the limelight (whether we deserve it or not)...we're the homeless man who sneaks into the academy awards and ends up on stage. we don't "belong", but that's what makes it fun."
Hasn't DigiVom also always been about people working on a level playing field? About a lack of preferential treatment towards supposed "big names"? If we can get people like Jansky Noise and Goodiepal to work within the system, why compromise on something like this? Again, this is the purist in me coming out. "tough line to walk" indeed. :S
I am unashamedly siding with option 2. I'm sure that's clear by now. Not because I don't think Shitmat should play, but because I don't think anyone should be paid unless we all get paid. And that's just not going to happen - CAC will be unable to pay anyone else for this event. This has nothing to do with Shitmat himself - I'd be saying this whoever was in his position. Of course, I think this needs a lot more thought before we can decide on anything. Not to mention a provisional "yes" from Shitmat too. To be honest, without wanting to disrespect any of the opinions already posted, I'd be more interested to hear from more people who were actually going to turn up to (and play at?) this event. After all, you're the ones who will be directly affected by the decisions made.
I suppose it's also worth noting that if Shitmat were to play, the ticket price would have to be at least ?. This would be a lot lower if he didn't.
Ninjadick - who are you?
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ninjadick
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(Date Posted:09/24/2007 11:11 PM)
i m shuko kubota's mother from madrid, my son only listens to the CBML records at home; congrats for the artwork of the last one btw!!! and sorry for the poor tracks of ours that figure on it!! shuko drew my attention on this debate so i just wanted to drop a line saying hi to everybody and that i dont think you need shitmat, as with hardoff and maruosa you d already have a superstars line up! lets make the party in Japan!!! ;-)
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iamaboki
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(Date Posted:09/27/2007 3:44 PM)
Well, I think we can at least count option 1 out, so it's between art and jumping about like a loon...
Must admit I'd veer towards the rave option, especially if I can cobble together the equipment and material to do a set myself by then. Either way, I'm gonna try and make it down for this although it may be a bit of a logistical nut-kicker.
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doug AKA BIA
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(Date Posted:09/27/2007 4:21 PM)
i like number 1, but i am an asshole so i will shut up now!
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The Fez
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(Date Posted:09/27/2007 4:31 PM)
Number three blatantly!
Shit loads of people would show up!
I wouldn't mind playing too, I was pulled from my last arts centre gig because of too many other gigs in Colchester around that time.
As for payment issues, I reckon we should use the opportunity to shove our music in peoples faces, I'd much rather play to a bigger crowd and not get paid than get paid but play a smaller gig......
I'd gladly play for free.
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Alien_Hand
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(Date Posted:09/30/2007 6:51 PM)
I would really like to play at this, Shitmat or no Shitmat. Much as it would be keeping it real and all that to just have DV artists play at it, the reality is that fuck all punters will show. Shitmat = bums on seats = more exposure for us plebs. But like I say, I'd love to play at this either way. I'm picturing a huge backdrop of the "spewing ones and zeroes" DigiVom logo, stark imagery sticks to the inebriated brain like sex wee to your belly button hair. Ugh.
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:09/30/2007 7:29 PM)
This is looking doubtful now. More later.
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Hooray
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ROBO_stud
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(Date Posted:10/01/2007 5:36 AM)
well if it does happen and adam chooses to go over to play...i would be very tempted to go with him, we'll see.
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(Date Posted:10/05/2007 12:10 AM)
Have kept my snout out of this debate but if i was involved i would go for the option minus shitmat.
You know playing to more people makes no difference. I remember a show Speedranch did with Jansky in london at the Scala i think, anyway they were the headline act and everybody left before they played because they were all there to see some other guy who was on leaf and fucking boring. Speedranch was gutted i think and i was chatting with Andy before they played and i said "see the people out there that is your audience. Not the ones who left, they are there for different reasons than for the music".
Fifteen people at the first Sex Pistols gig in Manchester, they would go on to form The Smiths, Joy Division, The Fall etc. Quality always over quantity.
Also any night should really be done in London, no offence to Colchester but the people who are interested in Digital Vomit already know about it in Colchester. London is an hour away and there are far more people who would go to a show there at somewhere like the Foundry or a place which is cheap.
100 people out in London who are into seeing new things is better than 200 out in colchester to see shitmat play the birdie song with a breakbeat under it.
While i am here also i would like to add some encoragement to the project as a whole //
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Mixomatosis
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(Date Posted:10/05/2007 12:44 AM)
Hm... Yeah, I ought to expand on what I said earlier.
I don't think Staff wants to risk losing money on doing something like this, as this has happened all too often previously. To be honest, I expected this would happen. He's had to cancel a couple of gigs lately for the same reason. It's a shame, but it does open up the idea of doing something in London again. I need to speak to him properly about this, but there is the possibility of splitting venue hire costs with him to do something. Add the money iivix donated, there should be enough money to do something decent. Maybe I'll even get balloons in and shit like that. I doubt this will happen on the same date (sorry Peter) but given how delayed a London event has been, the sooner the better. I've no doubt something will happen in Colchester again, probably at the Cambridge Arms, but not for now.
More when I've spoken to Staff. Time to start bugging the London venues again...
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Teterom
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(Date Posted:10/05/2007 12:19 PM)
I've spoken to people lately in my area (Havering/Thurrock) about what i've been upto. Whenever I mention The Foundry they reply ' OH YEAH! The Foundry. Excellent'.
Based upon that positive response. I would say The Foundry is a good option.
On a personal note. I loved the people there, the vibe there and I would love to do 20 mins there.
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(Date Posted:10/05/2007 1:27 PM)
Reply to : Teterom
I've spoken to people lately in my area (Havering/Thurrock) about what i've been upto.Whenever I mention The Foundry they reply ' OH YEAH! The Foundry. Excellent'.Based upon that positive response. I would say The Foundry is a good option.On a personal note. I loved the people there, the vibe there and I would love to do 20 mins there.
I'd say we'd all have a good time there, the only thing is that I know from experience that they've often got a massive waiting list to get to do shit, like possibly five, six months for a weekend... Though that might have changed now, who knows?
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